The bracketing algo that starts at market open and ends at market close is ruining the heatmap for ES. It just started a few weeks ago, but doesn't seem to be going away. It drowns out the rest of the orders and is ruining the experience of using Bookmap. If I had just started using Bookmap now I am not sure that I would continue. It has become a real problem for many traders in the Discord forum who have complained about it as well.
I know that Tradermap Pro can help filter some of the problem, but I don't want to pay extra for Rithmic and MBO data just to have a better functioning heatmap. This should be part of the basic Bookmap package.
Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
At least offer a lifetime license for MBO. What is the point of a Bookmap Lifetime license if you still need to pay the same amount again monthly for MBO.
Also it would be really great if you could tame back the current DRM insanity (re-activation on every single application start) back to industry standards (re-activation on change of hardware id). Why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o3u6TreiWA&t=4m50s
You are still happily falsely advertising the availability of offline activation "for all Bookmap users", while in reality Bookmap can't even launch once without requiring online re-activation. Not even once. Not even in freaking replay mode, blocking legitimate users from reviewing their trades on planes. Hilarious.
It's incredibly sad when otherwise great companies feel to the need to mistreat their legitimate paying customers in such a way.
Also it would be really great if you could tame back the current DRM insanity (re-activation on every single application start) back to industry standards (re-activation on change of hardware id). Why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o3u6TreiWA&t=4m50s
You are still happily falsely advertising the availability of offline activation "for all Bookmap users", while in reality Bookmap can't even launch once without requiring online re-activation. Not even once. Not even in freaking replay mode, blocking legitimate users from reviewing their trades on planes. Hilarious.
It's incredibly sad when otherwise great companies feel to the need to mistreat their legitimate paying customers in such a way.
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Svyatoslav
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Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
Hi everyone. It would be best to split these two topics, but let me quickly reply to both:
- regarding market maker activity recently: we are trying to find some solution for that. I can't promise you anything specific, but we are aware of the issue and are considering what we can offer. You can use upper cutoff to partially solve this issue without a need for an addon. The core functionality of Bookmap is to present data as is, which is what it does, but I do understand the frustration from market maker/bot activity making it harder to read the data recently on certain instruments.
- regarding online activation: the main reason it was implemented like that is to avoid linking to hardware completely. You can use it from multiple machines, just not at the same time. Most of the platform is useless without a connection anyway (live data, history, etc), so fully offline use case was always considered something mostly practical to institutions who have their own offline data source. You are right about replay mode being potentially useful in a fully offline scenario, but I believe it's a very rare case (but maybe I'm wrong - opening a separate topic for that could help find more users who would like this too).
Regarding availability of offline activation to most users: support will generally try to resolve underlying issue instead. Offline activation does not play that well with a subscription-based functionality (i.e. you have to repeat it every time you are billed or otherwise change your subscription), so it is easier for everyone when online activation works. In most cases requests to perform offline activation come from users who forgot to remove something like "127.0.0.1 bookmap.com" from hosts file after they switched from a cracked version to a paid one, thus you are most likely to first receive questions and instructions to fix this. Another common case is a firewall blocking the connection or antivirus performing MITM on HTTPS connections, but, again, an aggressively configured firewall will block data just as well, so there is very little point to let user bypass online activation just to get stuck trying to connect. Anyway, if you would like this to be reconsidered it's best to open a separate topic for better visibility. Let's stick to the market maker activity issue in this tread.
- regarding market maker activity recently: we are trying to find some solution for that. I can't promise you anything specific, but we are aware of the issue and are considering what we can offer. You can use upper cutoff to partially solve this issue without a need for an addon. The core functionality of Bookmap is to present data as is, which is what it does, but I do understand the frustration from market maker/bot activity making it harder to read the data recently on certain instruments.
- regarding online activation: the main reason it was implemented like that is to avoid linking to hardware completely. You can use it from multiple machines, just not at the same time. Most of the platform is useless without a connection anyway (live data, history, etc), so fully offline use case was always considered something mostly practical to institutions who have their own offline data source. You are right about replay mode being potentially useful in a fully offline scenario, but I believe it's a very rare case (but maybe I'm wrong - opening a separate topic for that could help find more users who would like this too).
Regarding availability of offline activation to most users: support will generally try to resolve underlying issue instead. Offline activation does not play that well with a subscription-based functionality (i.e. you have to repeat it every time you are billed or otherwise change your subscription), so it is easier for everyone when online activation works. In most cases requests to perform offline activation come from users who forgot to remove something like "127.0.0.1 bookmap.com" from hosts file after they switched from a cracked version to a paid one, thus you are most likely to first receive questions and instructions to fix this. Another common case is a firewall blocking the connection or antivirus performing MITM on HTTPS connections, but, again, an aggressively configured firewall will block data just as well, so there is very little point to let user bypass online activation just to get stuck trying to connect. Anyway, if you would like this to be reconsidered it's best to open a separate topic for better visibility. Let's stick to the market maker activity issue in this tread.
Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
Thank you for your response. I am happy to know that you are working on the issue. Hopefully you can find a way to filter it out. I have been turning off my heatmap at times because the algo is creating eye strain headaches and it makes me feel like I am sitting in front of a slot machine. I only trade ES and it is ruining BM for me.
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Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
UPDATE
We created a free version of Tradermap Pro which automatically filter out these Market Maker activity on ES.
We're working on it to support NQ as well. To install it, simply go to settings-manage plugins-L1 add-ons and click install.
To read more, go to
https://bookmap.com/knowledgebase/docs/ ... ermap-Lite
We created a free version of Tradermap Pro which automatically filter out these Market Maker activity on ES.
We're working on it to support NQ as well. To install it, simply go to settings-manage plugins-L1 add-ons and click install.
To read more, go to
https://bookmap.com/knowledgebase/docs/ ... ermap-Lite
Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
Thank you for addressing this issue.
However, it's quite frustrating that even a small fix like this is turned into yet another subscription: "Tradermap Lite is available for free for a limited time." I find this quite hilarious.
An argument often made for software subscriptions is that they motivate continuous development since the subscriptions fund ongoing improvements. Yet, at Bookmap, it seems every tiny new feature, even those that might have required just a one-time development effort, becomes another separate monthly subscription for users. This is about as ridiculous as charging monthly for Market Pulse algos that hardly see any development.
The entire Trader Map situation is quite disappointing. Why do we need a separate module that opens a new window, necessitating the purchase of another screen, just to be able to trade and display iceberg orders? While I can understand the technical reasons behind it, the user experience is severely lacking.
So, we already need to buy another screen now to trade ES because Bookmap's architecture does not support filtering display data separately from indicator calculations. And then, you impose yet another subscription on your loyal user base for this Frankenstein solution, that does nothing but restore the most basic Bookmap feature (display a usable heatmap of ES) in an incredibly inconvenient way.
I hope the long term solution to this is not to Frankenstein cross-trading on top of the Frankenstein display filter, but to adjust the architecture to new requirements.
Don't get me wrong. I love Bookmap and its team, and I want you to make money. Lots of money so you can keep improving Bookmap. But this is getting ridiculous.
We pay monthly for a aging core software that cannot support high DPI screens in 2024 and looks like a blurry mess, where important core functions are still single-threaded in 2024, where the IB integration has bugs that make it prohibitive to use, one that advertises offline activation that does not exist, one that blocks legitimate paying customers from reviewing their trades on a plane because you decided you need the most invasive form of DRM, and one where adding an AVWAP within data of the last 5 minutes somehow needs to process a good portion of 120 million historic events (single threaded).
Yet, the most important thing seems to be adding yet another monthly subscription.
Currently, Bookmap still has an edge in the heatmap game, but the competition is speeding up and doesn't seem to have as much technical debt to deal with.
However, it's quite frustrating that even a small fix like this is turned into yet another subscription: "Tradermap Lite is available for free for a limited time." I find this quite hilarious.
An argument often made for software subscriptions is that they motivate continuous development since the subscriptions fund ongoing improvements. Yet, at Bookmap, it seems every tiny new feature, even those that might have required just a one-time development effort, becomes another separate monthly subscription for users. This is about as ridiculous as charging monthly for Market Pulse algos that hardly see any development.
The entire Trader Map situation is quite disappointing. Why do we need a separate module that opens a new window, necessitating the purchase of another screen, just to be able to trade and display iceberg orders? While I can understand the technical reasons behind it, the user experience is severely lacking.
So, we already need to buy another screen now to trade ES because Bookmap's architecture does not support filtering display data separately from indicator calculations. And then, you impose yet another subscription on your loyal user base for this Frankenstein solution, that does nothing but restore the most basic Bookmap feature (display a usable heatmap of ES) in an incredibly inconvenient way.
I hope the long term solution to this is not to Frankenstein cross-trading on top of the Frankenstein display filter, but to adjust the architecture to new requirements.
Don't get me wrong. I love Bookmap and its team, and I want you to make money. Lots of money so you can keep improving Bookmap. But this is getting ridiculous.
We pay monthly for a aging core software that cannot support high DPI screens in 2024 and looks like a blurry mess, where important core functions are still single-threaded in 2024, where the IB integration has bugs that make it prohibitive to use, one that advertises offline activation that does not exist, one that blocks legitimate paying customers from reviewing their trades on a plane because you decided you need the most invasive form of DRM, and one where adding an AVWAP within data of the last 5 minutes somehow needs to process a good portion of 120 million historic events (single threaded).
Yet, the most important thing seems to be adding yet another monthly subscription.
Currently, Bookmap still has an edge in the heatmap game, but the competition is speeding up and doesn't seem to have as much technical debt to deal with.
Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
Thank you for your feedback. We understand your frustration regarding new subscriptions for small fixes.
We have removed the “limited time” notice, making Tradermap Lite free.
We recognize the inconvenience of requiring an additional screen and are working to improve our architecture for a better user experience. Addressing core software issues, like high DPI screen support and single-threaded functions, is a priority for us.
We appreciate your loyalty and support for Bookmap. Your feedback helps us improve and evolve.
Thank you for your understanding.
We have removed the “limited time” notice, making Tradermap Lite free.
We recognize the inconvenience of requiring an additional screen and are working to improve our architecture for a better user experience. Addressing core software issues, like high DPI screen support and single-threaded functions, is a priority for us.
We appreciate your loyalty and support for Bookmap. Your feedback helps us improve and evolve.
Thank you for your understanding.
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Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
I recently bought global plus lifetime. I subscribed on a monthly basis in the past. About a year ago I had a fight with cancer discontinued my subscription, but and now trading again. In that time algos have taken over CME. in fact, I would dare say they have rendered Bookmap useless. I have tried trader map lite but it doesn't show some critical liquidity levels. it inaccurately filters out some critical resting liquidity. I would like to try trader map pro but I can't find the free download discussed in the overview video. Is that still available? I don't use any of the indicators like MBO package as I just trade based on liquidity levels and one click trading everything else is just clutter. I would really like to add trader map pro as I think it will solve my algo problem that TMlite is not addressing. Plese advise if it is still available since I couldn't find the download and don't want the whole MBO package of indicators I don't use.
Re: Please Fix ES Heatmap ASAP!
Hi Omnologist,
Thank you for your request.
The algorithm for bot removal in Tradermap Lite isn't perfect and can impact "stable" liquidity. We're working on an improved version to address this issue.
Currently, Tradermap Pro is only available as part of the MBO Bundle package. However, we are considering offering Tradermap Pro as a standalone purchase in the future.
Thank you for your request.
The algorithm for bot removal in Tradermap Lite isn't perfect and can impact "stable" liquidity. We're working on an improved version to address this issue.
Currently, Tradermap Pro is only available as part of the MBO Bundle package. However, we are considering offering Tradermap Pro as a standalone purchase in the future.